Curse

Zarion Silverarrow · May 28, 2010, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by maddigit

Let's say they ban for two weeks a first time botter. Right there it's telling EVERYONE to go ahead and use bots/cheat once, try to fool us, you get caught you get 2 week ban. Hell then EVERYONE will take their 1 shot at botting see how long they get away with it until they get their simple 2 week ban.

So people would use bots/cheat if that was the case knowing they'd be back in two weeks. It just doesn't work.

It's a bummer you all lost your time/money/items, but we all know the rules.

Get another account, start over if you don't have an IP ban in effect too.

And follow the EULA.

Once again,I repeat myself...

2 week ban for first timer,perma ban if he/she does it again.

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Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

Did you accidentally download the bot? No, you didn't. You had to make a concerted effort to use the bot for whatever reason. The rules state that is not allowed (no disclaimer for degree of use anywhere). You deserve the account cancellation.

You don't get what I'm saying.

I KNOW MY BAN WAS ALRIGHT IN TERMS OF THE EULA!

BUT,it should be changed. I don't think I deserve a ban for walking around in a town with a bot for 10 seconds....the only advantage I had was not pressing R and moving the camera around

Kharmin · May 28, 2010, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Once again,I repeat myself...

2 week ban for first timer,perma ban if he/she does it again.

So everyone should d/l all of the available bots, run them until they get caught, and then sit out a two week ban after which they can enjoy the fruits of their illegally obtained rewards?

Kydd · May 28, 2010, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Is it that hard to think this:

Ban a first timer,little time botting person for 2 weeks,he does it again,perma ban.

Everyones thinking;either perma ban,or alot of 2 week bans...just mix em up,it ain't that hard to have an idea yourself.

PS: On the article that appears on your loggin-page,click it

!!!!! it actually says they got new staff for bots,so no resources would be lost...just people doing their work.

I'd like to think that staff is trying to catch bots not moniter the people they already caught. Why should people have to specifically watch your account in case you get curious and dont change your mind next time?

@ the people who say the community is being too harsh on botters its because botters have been ruining the game for people who don't bot. And yes you did detract from my experience by botting so I don't feel bad seeing you go.

StormX · May 28, 2010, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

If someone uses bots on a daily basis and just won't quit..then BAM perma ban his ass...but if someone just tried out stupidity, out of curiousity, out of temptation etc etc ... give them the approriate time...jeez it's like you slip and fall and now your RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing evil but you never meant to slip but no one give a shit, it just happened.

Consider it a life lesson learned? Luckily for you it was in a relatively harmless virtual situation and not in real life. Fact: life is not fair. You do stupid shit, you face the consequences, whether deserved or not, many times you can't do anything except man up and take it head on. Try telling the cops... "but sir, all i did was try one" If you slip and fall, you should get up, learn to be more careful and be the wiser for it. THAT is all you can do.

I'm not gonna join in the stone throwing here but the ecto stack hoarders and pvp botters can eat dirt and go to hell

Zarion Silverarrow · May 28, 2010, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by Kharmin

So everyone should d/l all of the available bots, run them until they get caught, and then sit out a two week ban after which they can enjoy the fruits of their illegally obtained rewards?

Nice point there... I guess the 2 week ban should include loss of items/gold/titles points gained in the last X months or something....its a problem though,because you wouldn't know how long the person has been botting (i think)...maybe keep the account without items/tittles/etc...

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Originally Posted by Kydd

I'd like to think that staff is trying to catch bots not moniter the people they already caught. Why should people have to specifically watch your account in case you get curious and dont change your mind next time?

@ the people who say the community is being too harsh on botters its because botters have been ruining the game for people who don't bot. And yes you did detract from my experience by botting so I don't feel bad seeing you go.

I didn't ruin your gaming experience...tell me how walking 20ish steps on remains of salahalajalajla affects you. That is all I did and I was banned.

cormac ap dunn · May 28, 2010, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

I KNOW MY BAN WAS ALRIGHT IN TERMS OF THE EULA!

there you go

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

BUT,it should be changed. I don't think I deserve a ban for walking around in a town with a bot for 10 seconds....the only advantage I had was not pressing R and moving the camera around

you ruined it

you USED A BOT

you got banned. its over. maybe you should start wishing for a pot of gold too, oooh or a pony, a flying pony! you might get your account back at the same time....

Riot Narita · May 28, 2010, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

BUT,it should be changed. I don't think I deserve a ban for walking around in a town with a bot for 10 seconds....the only advantage I had was not pressing R and moving the camera around

So you say. And we can trust the word of a person who was banned for cheating/botting. Yeah right. /sarcasm

You got banned. You know why. You knew the rules. You knew the consequences if you got caught. You accepted that risk.

But now you got caught. And instead of accepting the consequences of your own actions, the risk you took... you want the rules to be changed. So that you can be unbanned.

Aint gonna happen. Move on.

Charlie Dayman · May 28, 2010, 05:35 PM // 17:35

There was a post in this thread that I was going to quote, but it suddenly disappeared. Anyways, botting is a serious problem that creates huge issues with games. If you're just going to give someone a slap on the wrist for their first time offense, chances are most other people are also going to take a stab at botting since the return in rewards can be phenomenal. That's encouraging people to use this first offense as an excuse to see how far they can go without being caught. Also, it gives people more opportunity to test out better bots that are harder to detect and catch.

So in short: if you bot at any point in time, a permaban is an appropriate punishment.

Mangione · May 28, 2010, 05:36 PM // 17:36

Yes. Termination was (and IS) appropriate.
You bot. You lose.

Want a new account? Go buy another one.

The "I didn't know excuse" is so much /fail, I don't even know where to start.
If you are setting up a bot, you know the game well enough to know that bots are forbidden.

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath

Bragging about banning a shitload of people and doing it in an extravagant fashion such as this is clearly a show for the masses and it appeases their need to watch people get shitted on while using their crimes as justification. They could have done this quickly and quietly but they chose not to. And people are getting warm fuzzy's about it.

Sure they broke the rules. Sure they got caught. Why don't you punish them the same way you have everyone else before? I mean seriously the makers of this game are SHOWING OFF that 3,700 of their players thought the game was too much of a pain in the ass to play.

Think of the botters who enjoyed winning in PvP venues against non-botters and rubbing in the face of honest players their cheats.
They were, oh, so elite. They mocked the players who did not bot, the ones who followed the rules. Defeated and insulted.

Same in PvE: a player doing all his grind sees his accomplishments devalued by "oh-hum... yes, I got that just by afk-ing a couple of weeks. In your face, you needed a month of grinding."(I don't like grind, and so I stay away from grindy titles and stuff. It's different from those who don't like grind, but decide to bot to get the reward anyway.)

Anet gave the "showing off" as compensation for all the mockery that came from the botting crowd.

Don't cry that people are reveling in others misfortune.
Those "others", those botters, are not innocent victims who are "getting shitted" (as you wrote), they have been ruining the game experience of honest players.
The punishment is appropriate: they ruin the game, they are kicked out of the game.
No need for car/prison/homicide/deathpenalty analogies or any other legal bullshit.

Happy DhuumsDay.
Well done, ArenaNet.

Kydd · May 28, 2010, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Nice point there... I guess the 2 week ban should include loss of items/gold/titles points gained in the last X months or something....its a problem though,because you wouldn't know how long the person has been botting (i think)...maybe keep the account without items/tittles/etc...

I didn't ruin your gaming experience...tell me how walking 20ish steps on remains of salahalajalajla affects you. That is all I did and I was banned.

You ruined by downloading a bot. More people wanting to download a bot makes more people create bots.
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Also because of you anet hast to spend time looking at your support ticket that could be spent improving the game. According to you they should also have to baby sit your account instead of improving the game. These missed improvements are detracting from my experiance.

Firebaall · May 28, 2010, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Once again,I repeat myself...

2 week ban for first timer,perma ban if he/she does it again.

All botters deserve the perm ban. Anything less would invite people like you to try out or test bots assuming they have one "free pass". A free pass that could be used to find a bot or program that isn't so easy to detect.

Goodbye, don't come back.

Lord Sojar · May 28, 2010, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by Mangione

Yes. Termination was (and IS) appropriate.
You bot. You lose.

Want a new account? Go buy another one.

The "I didn't know excuse" is so much /fail, I don't even know where to start.
If you are setting up a bot, you know the game well enough to know that bots are forbidden.

*snip*

Don't cry that people are reveling in others misfortune.
Those "others", those botters, are not innocent victims who are "getting shitted" (as you wrote), they have been ruining the game experience of honest players.
The punishment is appropriate: they ruin the game, they are kicked out of the game.
No need for car analogies, homicide analogies, or legal bullshit.

Happy DhuumsDay.
Well done, ArenaNet.

Bingo. Botters don't deserve to play the game. Personally, I wouldn't welcome them back with new accounts, I'd MAC and IP ban them. But... alas, I don't run ANET. Those same botters may get new accounts, and find those better, harder to detect bots... and when they do, I hope ANET sees that the same people will continue to cheat, because they are cheaters. Hopefully, then, they will be unwelcome to play any game Arena Net or NCSoft produce.

Firebaall · May 28, 2010, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by Mangione

Yes. Termination was (and IS) appropriate.
You bot. You lose.

Want a new account? Go buy another one.

As far as I know, they are not allowed to do that. Without first getting permission.

Zarion Silverarrow · May 28, 2010, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by Riot Narita

So you say. And we can trust the word of a person who was banned for cheating/botting. Yeah right. /sarcasm

You got banned. You know why. You knew the rules. You knew the consequences if you got caught. You accepted that risk.

But now you got caught. And instead of accepting the consequences of your own actions, the risk you took... you want the rules to be changed. So that you can be unbanned.

Aint gonna happen. Move on.

Once again,the fact that you belive me or not changes nothing.

I know what I did,and I know I took it back WAY before the ban.

And,once again,I'm here to discuss the situation itself and IF I should be banned in other people's opinion,but since YOU don't belive me,OFC you will say "Yes,ban him"

People were mad,because bots had advantages over them and were abussing them...I understand this,but just answer this:

I,as an individual,only used 2 bots for 10 seconds each...for a sum of about 20 steps taken in 2 towns...nothing else...all I did was walk around...now tell me,how does that affect your gameplay?

Kharmin · May 28, 2010, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Nice point there... I guess the 2 week ban should include loss of items/gold/titles points gained in the last X months or something....its a problem though,because you wouldn't know how long the person has been botting (i think)...maybe keep the account without items/tittles/etc...

Thanks. My point continues to be that the Company simply does not have the resources available to assign to keeping track of things like this and then also responding to those who feel unjustly temp banned. You have your specific 10, 20, how ever many steps case that you are advocating, but I submit to you that for your case there are probably hundreds (perhaps thousands) of other specific cases that would have to be adjudicated on a case-by-case basis... on a continually rolling time-line and they simply cannot maintain that method.

It isn't practical business sense, IMO.

Ghost Dog · May 28, 2010, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Once again,the fact that you belive me or not changes nothing.

I know what I did,and I know I took it back WAY before the ban.

And,once again,I'm here to discuss the situation itself and IF I should be banned in other people's opinion,but since YOU don't belive me,OFC you will say "Yes,ban him"

People were mad,because bots had advantages over them and were abussing them...I understand this,but just answer this:

I,as an individual,only used 2 bots for 10 seconds each...for a sum of about 20 steps taken in 2 towns...nothing else...all I did was walk around...now tell me,how does that affect your gameplay?

I don't care about how it affected my gameplay, nor does ANET, it's about how you affected your own gameplay, did you choose to bot is a yes or no question.

This reminds me of how to catch a predator I ONLY CAME HERE TO WARN HER!1111

Firebaall · May 28, 2010, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Once again,the fact that you belive me or not changes nothing.

I know what I did,and I know I took it back WAY before the ban.

And,once again,I'm here to discuss the situation itself and IF I should be banned in other people's opinion,but since YOU don't belive me,OFC you will say "Yes,ban him"

The only way...and I mean the only way you would deserve a temp ban, is if you contacted support before getting banned and explained what you did, and it was only a momentary usage.

Tell them everything, and provide the bot software to them as a report on yourself. Otherwise, you're just another botter that broke the rules, and hoped you didn't get caught. Black and White.

Zarion Silverarrow · May 28, 2010, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by Kharmin

Thanks. My point continues to be that the Company simply does not have the resources available to assign to keeping track of things like this and then also responding to those who feel unjustly temp banned. You have your specific 10, 20, how ever many steps case that you are advocating, but I submit to you that for your case there are probably hundreds (perhaps thousands) of other specific cases that would have to be adjudicated on a case-by-case basis... on a continually rolling time-line and they simply cannot maintain that method.

It isn't practical business sense, IMO.

I agree but that isn't what I'm discussing....I am almost sure my ban won't be taken off,but this is because of their resources...

My English isn't that good so I'm getting a headache trying to explain lol...

What I mean is,that I'm discussing here to figure out whether yes or not does the community think,that if A-net could do it,I would be unbanned...The only reason I am banned (IMO,and the opinon of about 40% of people here that agree with me) is because A-net can't tell if I botted for 10 years or 10 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Dog

I don't care about how it affected my gameplay, nor does ANET, it's about how you affected your own gameplay, did you choose to bot is a yes or no question.

This reminds me of how to catch a predator I ONLY CAME HERE TO WARN HER!1111

No,I don't consider the action of walking for a few seconds to be "Gameplay"

cormac ap dunn · May 28, 2010, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Once again,the fact that you belive me or not changes nothing.

I know what I did,and I know I took it back WAY before the ban.

And,once again,I'm here to discuss the situation itself and IF I should be banned in other people's opinion,but since YOU don't belive me,OFC you will say "Yes,ban him"

People were mad,because bots had advantages over them and were abussing them...I understand this,but just answer this:

I,as an individual,only used 2 bots for 10 seconds each...for a sum of about 20 steps taken in 2 towns...nothing else...all I did was walk around...now tell me,how does that affect your gameplay?

you are here to get someone, ANYONE to say unban you, not to discuss it, it was effectivly discussed, the answer seems to be you deserve it. just on the numbers i've seen. so there is your answer, hopefully a mod will close this soon. you are only here to discuss just your case, thought this was a community forum, not a Zarion Silverarrow forum. get over your self already

Kharmin · May 28, 2010, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

The only way...and I mean the only way you would deserve a temp ban, is if you contacted support before getting banned and explained what you did, and it was only a momentary usage.

Tell them everything, and provide the bot software to them as a report on yourself. Otherwise, you're just another botter that broke the rules, and hoped you didn't get caught. Black and White.

Stupid hind-sight. Always 20/20.

Hopefully for Z S, support will review the case and rule in Z S's favor.